In this episode Gavin talks to Lourens Du Plessis from Stewardship who leads the team that guides and strengthens churches and Christian charities with their governance and finances.

Listen in as Gavin and Lourens discuss the challenges that churches are facing in the area of good governance as well as the gift of administration and how effective it can be in a local church.

We hope you enjoy today's podcast.

You can find out more about the work of Stewardship at: www.stewardship.org.uk