In this episode Gavin talks to Lourens Du Plessis from Stewardship who leads the team that guide and strengthen churches and Christian charities with their governance and finances.It was great to talk to Lourens about the challenges that churches are facing in the area of good governance.

It was a joy to talk about the gift of administration and how effective it can be in a local church. We hope you enjoy today's podcast.

To find out more about stewardship please visit: www.stewardship.org.uk